How different is Bazzite from Linux Mint?

Currently i run Win11 and Linux Mint in dual boot. Mint works oke but needs a lot of command line voodoo to get the rx 9070 driver installed. From what i understand Bazzite should support it natively.

Right now i’m still getting used to Linux in order to fully switch over to it. Microsoft can suck it. I just hate there monetization and data collecting

Question is now i’m getting used to Mint which might not natively support the 9070 till next year is; is there much difference between Mint and Bazzite? If i’m fully gonna switch to Linux i want to fully reinstall and won’t want to do some command line voodoo. (still i expect voodoo to be unavoidable :sweat_smile:)

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Yes and no.

They are both Linux so the base there is pretty universal. Of course Bazzite has newer kernel which allows us to provide support for newer hardware constantly.

The biggest differences are that Flatpaks are the main source for application (graphical ones) so there is no hunting of packages from the internet or adding strange repos etc.

The gist of is its “no-maintenance needed” kind of thing. Updates are handled, you just use your pc and enjoy your games.

Bazzite comes with a lot of preinstalled software and drivers, so you shouldn’t think about additional managing. But you should know how rpm-ostree works.

Unlike Mint Bazzite has immutable system, where all packages are built in the image. If you want to remove/add something into the image, you should override it.
Us for me, I override-remove Lutris package that I didn’t use.

Most of the programs should be used as Flatpak package (like in Fedora). Otherwise if you want to install some .rpm/.deb package, you can create Distrobox with relative distro (Fedora, Mint etc) and install package directly into this distrobox. Then you can provide installed application for your main system. I use Flameshot (.rpm) through Fedora distrobox. It works ok, but takes some time to launch distrobox before usage.

Also Bazzite provides ujust commands for fast system setup. It does all inner work for you.

Off topic but why don’t you install flameshot via rpm-ostree, or.. just as flatpak?

Because of recommendation to minimise rpm-ostree modification. Flameshot needs depending packages. If I install it into the system through rpm-ostree, all this packages can be modified or degraded, I think.
About Flatpak. When I setup Flameshot for my current Fedora, Flatpak didn’t suit me (I don’t remember why :slight_smile: ). So I use .rpm version. Maybe because of direct in terminal run through shortcut with flameshot gui / flameshot full -c / flameshot gui --last-region commands.

That’s kinda what i’m looking for + it seems better up to date then?

Yep, Fedora (which Bazzite is based on) is really up to date in general.

That’s seems a lot better for a newer GPU than mint.

I know Mint is more customizable than Bazzite if you like command line voodoo but how is Bazzite compared to Windows 11?

Strictly speaking, both Mint and Bazzite are as customizable as the other. It’s just harder on Bazzite because the “obvious routes” are disabled for safety. Flatpak is available on Mint as well - it’s universal, and most distro enables it by default except for Ubuntu and more “minimalist” distro. Also, Bazzite only have KDE (SteamOS’ desktop mode) and GNOME (default for most Linux distro) supported, no Cinnamon support unless you DIY it (not recommended, not official supported).

As for Win11, that’s tough to say. It depends on what aspect, and I’d recommend looking up videos on YouTube for this.

As far as work and productivity goes? Windows 11 is still better, hands down. Unless you’ve done the hard work of re-learning your workflow and issue resolution, Windows will always be better. If you have optimized your workflow, then Linux is definitely better. For me it’s definitely better even with the annoyance WPS Office has over MS Office, but I do need Windows (via VM, remote, or dualboot) for my VBA and macro files. But for most of my tasks, there’s no beating KDE with fully set up windowing rules and panels for my workflow and sensibilities. Windows 11 isn’t THAT bad once I debloated it and use Windhawk to modify some stuff, but it’s still way more annoying than just using KDE.

For gaming, check ProtonDB and areweanticheatyet as usual. Steam Game Mode is MILES ahead of Armory Crate. Same goes for Heroic vs GOG/Epic Store, to the point I use it on Windows as well. I don’t know about the specifics of performance and such (I’d recommend just using CachyOS if you’re going to chase that unicorn) but it works fine for me as a lower-end gamer. What’s important is that for the most part, there’s way less annoyances gaming on Bazzite than on Windows 11. No nagging, no weird update issues, battery life make sense, sleep and wake works properly like I’d expect a handheld does (though I don’t know if that applies to your GPU).

The main issue has been when you go off the well trodden path of Steam. I’m sure you’re already aware of the general issues if you’ve used Mint. But for me specifically, it’s quite annoying how Cheat Engine works less well on Linux (no lua script support), modding some stuff can be annoying, some anti-tamper and anti-anti-tamper naturally don’t work (if you play those multiplayer games or “alternatively-acquired” games), some Windows 11 tools has much less powerful equivalent (lossless scaling is still being worked on, Playnite is still being worked on, Wallpaper Engine can’t use its most powerful features, Cheat Engine has some issues as I said, some patches and tools are a PITA to get working if they work at all).

It’s not perfect, but in general the seamlessness of just pressing power button and gaming immediately is (for now) unbeatable. Ofc this is talking about MY experience running Bazzite on laptop and handheld, YMMV. A lot of it is also isn’t necessarily Bazzite specific, it’s just for a long time I had enjoyed Bazzite’s defaults over the others.

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Instead of full jump, it may be better to install Bazzite as virtual machine on Windows or Linux Mint host, you get to know with and then decide to jump. In virtual machine you can use snapshots and quickly return back where you were like a minute ago (when snapshot wad created).

Second option may be… if you have spare disk and install it on it.

I’ve only been trying Mint with dual boot for 1 week or so. Already had 2 times Windows has overwritten my dual boot and just went strait to w11. Probably have to change some settings again. Anyways thinking of overwriting Mint with Bazzite and just trying it out. If i like it a few weeks in i think ill fully switch over and just run W11 threw VM if i need it. Thing is i don’t think i need W11 for what i do on a pc. I do a bit of gaming and the rest mostly in firefox. Also i want things to work and not be bugged by capitalist pop-ups.

Bazzite over Mint seems very tempting because it’s being kept up to date well. Either way i’m liking Linux so far. It seems far more approachable then like i used to know it.

W11 is on a 2tb m.2, 1tb sata ssd is for Linux Mint atm

Windows to Linux migration should be last step. First record all of applications you use on Windows and see if they work on Linux. If not then find alternative app that works on Windows and Linux and use it on Windows first. When after few days/weeks/months/years/decades… when you are only using software on Windows, that is available on Linux, for a while and do not use any Windows only software, then there is one last very simple step, switch from Windows to Linux. If you do the opposite and switch to Linux first, then be prepared for furstration and jumping from Windows to Linux all over again.

Maybe you can do vice versa from my previous pist suggestion above. Install Windows in virtual machine on Linux host and when you need some Windows only app, you can start Windows virtual machine.

Ill definitely review what apps i use on Windows before i make the step. For the most part i don’t think i use much proprietary windows programs. A lot of programs for accessibility are probably hard baked into the distro. When i get back home ill go check.

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Make sure to read the documentation on dual-booting:

Following it should minimize the risk of Windows overwriting the Linux bootloader. This should apply to any Linux setup, ofc, not just Bazzite. Also, I’d disable feature updates so that Windows less likely to do weird thing - there are scripts that helps with that, but I like Chris Titus’.

Well you also need to remember that you can get both Mint and Bazzite with different desktop environment. I use gnome just because it had some great integration to my online account that i like. But its really up to you.

For me i just had it with unstable drivers in windows and was already looking at windows because mainly game and that works pretty well on linux now. I have most of my files on the could or store on other storage solution so a complete wipe was not a problem. You need to do it on windows from time to time :wink: So i was already use to the process of
a complete reinstall.

Biggest “road-bump” for me was getting a replacement for iCue for fans and RGB. also onedrive integration was a bit tricky but now its up and running.

From how they both look, i like gnome more. Thought i’d go KDE at first but didn’t research them just went of reverences. Gnome looks nice to me so i don’t expect ill really want to change it. I’m not indifferent to bit of command-line voodoo. I think ill be alright.

GNOME make sense if you want something simple. I personally don’t like how unstable it can get when you start to pile extensions and how some extensions would stay broken for a few weeks after a GNOME update, but that shouldn’t be an issue if you don’t use any beyond the most basic ones like the tray icon one.

I personally always go with KDE because I’m used to it, I already have my perfect UX for my workflow and preferences, and in the long term things just break/changes a lot less often (they usually only really break backwards compatibility during major updates, so most add-ons and script rarely needs updates).

Here is my setup if you’re curious:

Do note though, that switching between desktop via rebasing often causes issues - I think I was stuck in a black screen after boot once. So if you want to switch, I’d recommend reinstalling.

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